{"id":13743,"date":"2020-10-14T11:52:12","date_gmt":"2020-10-14T09:52:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/?p=13743"},"modified":"2023-09-19T15:18:23","modified_gmt":"2023-09-19T13:18:23","slug":"interviu-cu-dan-barna-despre-cazul-vlad-teohari","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/interviu-cu-dan-barna-despre-cazul-vlad-teohari\/","title":{"rendered":"Interviu cu Dan Barna, despre cazul Vlad Teohari"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><em>\u00cen urma mediatiz\u0103rii <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/conflicte-interne-usr-potentiale-abuzuri-din-partea-conducerii-partidului-cazul-vlad-teohari\/\" target=\"_blank\">conflictului intern din USR<\/a>, Dan Barna a ales s\u0103 r\u0103spund\u0103 acuza\u021biilor pe care Vlad Teohari le-a adus \u00een sfera public\u0103, cu privire la invalidarea candidaturii lui la alegerile parlamentare. Buletin de Bucure\u0219ti a publicat anterior punctul de vedere al parlamentarului diaspora. <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<style>\nli {\nfont-size: 1.2em;\n}\nul {\nmargin-top: 60px;\n}\n<\/style>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:45px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Cum se stabilesc regulile etice \u00een USR? &#8211; Care sunt criteriile de \u201ed\u0103unare a imaginii partidului\u201d?<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201eRegulile pe care sunt ale\u0219i parlamentarii din partea USR sunt acelea\u0219i ca \u00een 2016, conform statutului din 2016. Aceste reguli sunt cunoscute de to\u021bi candida\u021bii dinainte: filiala, prin vot, \u00ee\u0219i stabile\u0219te ordinea candida\u021bilor prefera\u021bi. Ace\u0219tia trebuie sa ob\u021bin\u0103 dou\u0103 avize de la comisia de arbitraj, unul de oportunitate politic\u0103, altul de integritate \u0219i cu aceste avize, candida\u021bii merg mai departe c\u0103tre Biroul Na\u021bional pentru un vot final de validare pe oportunitate politic\u0103. A\u0219a e statutul, astea sunt regulile. C\u0103 sunt bune sau proaste, putem discuta separat. \u00cen cazul lui Vlad, Comisia a hot\u0103r\u00e2t \u00een felul urm\u0103tor: cu 7 la 4 c\u0103 Vlad nu a respectat criteriile de integritate \u0219i cu 8 la 3 c\u0103 n-a respectat criteriile politice. Mesajul pe care a vrut s\u0103-l transmit\u0103 Comisia de Arbitraj a fost, c\u0103, din punctul lor de vedere, faptul de a ataca organiza\u021bia din care faci parte \u00een spa\u021biul public, venind apoi s\u0103 candidezi pentru diverse pozi\u021bii \u00een cadrul partidului ridic\u0103 o problema de justificare sau de cuvenire. Acesta a fost mesajul Comisiei, nu zic eu dac\u0103 decizia a fost bun\u0103 sau nu. Mai mult, avizul de integritate este obligatoriu, nu ca cel pe politic, doar consultativ.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mi s-au adus critici cum c\u0103 n-am luat m\u0103suri \u0219i n-am intrat peste decizia Comisiei, dar acest fapt ne-ar fi asem\u0103nat exact cu vechile partide, or eu lucrul asta nu vreau s\u0103-l fac.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Dac\u0103 decizia spune c\u0103 un atac public la adresa partidului contravine standardului etic al partidului, asta \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 membrii sunt constr\u00e2n\u0219i de la a face declara\u021bii negative la adresa USR?<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201eDin punctul meu de vedere, nu, dar exist\u0103 o limita \u00eentre a-\u021bi exprima o opinie \u0219i a aduce un detriment electoral. Din perspectiva asta, judec\u0103torii no\u0219tri au vrut sa transmit\u0103 un mesaj c\u0103 po\u021bi s\u0103 \u00eencerci s\u0103 schimbi organiza\u021bia dac\u0103 sesizezi nereguli sau po\u021bi s\u0103 pleci. Dar ideea in care stai \u00een organiza\u021bie \u0219i o ataci constant \u00een spa\u021biul public aduce un dezavantaj \u0219i afecteaz\u0103 pe toata lumea. Continui s\u0103 respect deciziile Comisiei fie c\u0103 imi convin fie c\u0103 nu.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" data-src=\"https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna-900x600.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-13744 lazyload\" data-sizes=\"auto\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna-900x600.jpg 900w, https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna-1060x707.jpg 1060w, https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna-550x367.jpg 550w, https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna-750x500.jpg 750w, https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna-1620x1080.jpg 1620w, https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna-600x400.jpg 600w, https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/wp-content\/uploads\/barna.jpg 1680w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><figcaption>Surs\u0103: pagina de Facebook a lui Dan Barna<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Au mai fost candida\u021bi precum Ina Georgescu, tot la Senat, ale c\u0103ror candidaturi nu au fost invalidate, de\u0219i au fost semnatari ai scrisorii. Cum se aplic\u0103 standardul acesta? Decizia \u00een cazul lui Vlad Teohari a mai fost coroborat\u0103 \u0219i cu alte derapaje, sau semnarea scrisorii deschise care o sus\u021binea pe Olimpia Ardelean a fost singurul motiv?<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;Eu nu am fost la deliber\u0103ri, dar r\u0103spunsul este mult mai prozaic. Din cauza volumului mare de sesiz\u0103ri, Comisia s-a axat \u00een principal pe pozi\u021biile eligibile. Miz\u0103 este ca locurile eligibile s\u0103 treac\u0103 prin aceasta verificare prev\u0103zute de statut.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Cum <em>comenta\u021bi<\/em><\/em> <em>demisiile recente ale lui Cornel Zainea, Bogdan Jitea (sectorul 3) sau Mihai Martin (Olt), care au declarat c\u0103 faptul c\u0103 au semnat aceasta scrisoare \u00eei pune \u00eentr-o situa\u021bie vulnerabil\u0103 pe viitor \u0219i sunt \u00eengrijora\u021bi din aceasta cauza. Crede\u021bi c\u0103 acest caz va crea un precedent?<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201ePentru comisia de arbitraj fiecare decizie se ia \u00een func\u021bie de contextul individual. Eu nu \u0219tiu dac\u0103 acest lucru va deveni un standard. Poate \u0103sta e un lucru pe care, f\u0103r\u0103 \u00eendoial\u0103, va trebui s\u0103-l completam \u00een urm\u0103torul statut USR-Plus. Nefiind stabilit un cadru reglementar de ce \u00eenseamn\u0103 integritate, nu exista o defini\u021bie. Prin decizia de acum cateva zile, Comisia a dat o direc\u021bie. C\u00e2t se va merge \u00een aceasta direc\u021bie urmeaz\u0103 s\u0103 vedem \u00eempreun\u0103. Sunt de acord c\u0103 ar trebui s\u0103 d\u0103m ni\u0219te distan\u021biere \u00eentre ce \u00eenseamn\u0103 \u0219i ce nu \u00eenseamn\u0103 integritatea politic\u0103, pentru c\u0103 de aici s-a generat conflictul.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Avem ni\u0219te standarde de integritate la admitere, cum ar fi s\u0103 nu ai condamn\u0103ri penale, s\u0103 nu fi f\u0103cut parte din conducerea PSD, dar \u00een momentul de fa\u021b\u0103, Comisia are o libertate decizional\u0103 destul de mare.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Am \u00een\u021beles, dar \u00een momentul actual, membrii care au semnat scrisoarea au motive \u00eentemeiate de a se teme de invalidare sau de a fi vulnerabili?<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201eCa membru ai at\u00e2t ni\u0219te obliga\u021bii c\u00e2t \u0219i ni\u0219te drepturi. Toat\u0103 aceast\u0103 emo\u021bie pe care unii colegi o manifest\u0103 e cauzat\u0103 de acest moment \u00eenainte de parlamentare, fapt care a atras \u0219i critici \u0219i repro\u0219uri. Totu\u0219i, prefer aceast\u0103 situa\u021bie dec\u00e2t perspectiva \u00een care m\u0103 a\u0219ezam cu Dacian Ciolo\u0219 \u00een fa\u021ba unui banner \u0219i spuneam c\u0103 \u201eaceasta este lista de parlamentari USR\u201d \u0219i f\u0103ceam noi din pix. Ce element mai haios este dec\u00e2t s\u0103 acuzi dictatur\u0103 put\u00e2nd s\u0103 faci asta \u00een spa\u021biul public liber. \u00cen\u021beleg ca exista lucruri de modificat, dar asta vom face cu urm\u0103torul statut. Deocamdat\u0103 func\u021bion\u0103m pe actualul statut din 2016 de c\u00e2nd partidul era mic, cu un for na\u021bional \u00een care decizia nu era contestat\u0103. Iat\u0103 c\u0103 acum s-a creat necesitatea de actualizare \u0219i suntem dispu\u0219i s-o facem.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Vlad Teohari a declarat in multiple r\u00e2nduri c\u0103 nu a putut s\u0103 se apere deoarece decizia de invalidare a venit cu doua zile \u00eenainte de termenul limit\u0103 pentru depunerea candidaturilor si nu a mai fost timp pentru solu\u021bionarea contesta\u021biei la Comitetul Politic. Faptul c\u0103 era semnatar al scrisorii respective se \u0219tia de mult. Dumneavoastra cum comentati situa\u021bia?<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201e\u00centr-o perioada \u00een care am fi putut s\u0103 ne organiz\u0103m \u00eentr-un timp mai larg, instrumentul acesta ar fi putut s\u0103 fie \u0219i eficient. \u00cen cazul colegului de la diaspora, Comitetul av\u00e2nd in statut un termen de convocare de cel pu\u021bin 15 zile, lista a trebuit s\u0103 fie depus\u0103 la doua zile, de aceea nu a fost posibil\u0103 convocarea Comitetului.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Asta ar putea s\u0103 fie o variant\u0103 de \u00eembun\u0103t\u0103\u021bire a procedurii pentru perioadele urm\u0103toare, cumva de a decide avizele de la Comisia de Arbitraj \u00eenainte de candidaturi, pentru c\u0103 noi am primit candidaturile de la diaspora cu 2 zile \u00eenainte de decizia Biroului Na\u021bional, adic\u0103 atunci a fost votul final diaspora. Practic, noi am avut o zi \u00eentre avizul Comisiei \u0219i decizia Biroului Na\u021bional pentru a depune listele. Deci nu a fost o perioad\u0103 \u00een care s-a intarziat procesul artificial, asta resping categoric. Acest incident ne arat\u0103 c\u0103 trebuie s\u0103 g\u0103sim un mecanism mai eficient pentru urm\u0103toarele cicluri electorale. Dar ca institu\u021bie intern\u0103, a\u0219a e construit statulul, Comisia Na\u021bional\u0103 de Arbitraj este organ decizional suprem definitiv.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Cum comenta\u021bi acuza\u021bia conform c\u0103reia Vlad Boto\u0219 (senator USR) a fost prezent \u00een \u0219edin\u021ba Comisiei de Arbitraj, el nefiind membru, potrivit unei m\u0103rturii pe care Vlad Teohari o adaug\u0103 la dosarul cu care merge \u00een instan\u021b\u0103?<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201e\u0218edin\u021ba respectiv\u0103 de invalidare s-a \u021binut online, pe Zoom, firesc. Vlad Boto\u0219, colegul meu de Birou Na\u021bional, era \u00eentr-adev\u0103r \u00een sediul USR Arad, \u00eentr-o alt\u0103 \u00eenc\u0103pere al\u0103turat\u0103, \u00eent\u00e2lnindu-se cu consilieri \u0219i primari, colegi din USR Arad, iar unul din colegii din Comisia de Arbitraj era \u00een biroul s\u0103u, cu c\u0103\u0219tile \u00een urechi. Faptul c\u0103 s-a auzit vocea lui Vlad Boto\u0219 dintr-o camer\u0103 al\u0103turat\u0103 f\u0103r\u0103 s\u0103 aib\u0103 vreo interven\u021bie, \u0219i asta confirm\u0103 to\u021bi cei din Comisia de Arbitraj, e domeniul eviden\u021bei. Asta o spun cu toat\u0103 fermitatea, nu e niciun fel de dubiu, nu a existat nicio interferen\u021b\u0103 a lui Vlad Boto\u0219 sau a vreunui alt coleg din Biroul Na\u021bional \u00een decizia Comisiei de Arbitraj. \u0218i nu e niciun membru din Comisia de Arbitraj care s\u0103 spun\u0103 altceva. Scorul a fost 7-4, din cei 4, unul putea s\u0103 spun\u0103 ceva, dar nu a intervenit nimeni.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Dac\u0103 va fi nevoie, ve\u021bi merge cu aceste m\u0103rturii care s\u0103 v\u0103 sus\u021bin\u0103 aceste declara\u021bii \u0219i \u00een instan\u021b\u0103?<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201eBine\u00een\u021beles, asta e o certitudine de 100%. Dac\u0103 instan\u021ba va solicita, f\u0103r\u0103 nicio problema, mergem cu toat\u0103 transparen\u021ba.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Vlad Teohari a declarat c\u0103 dumneavoastr\u0103 nu pute\u021bi pune membri pentru alegerile parlamentare cu m\u00e2na, dar \u00eei pute\u021bi scoate cu m\u00e2na prin Comisia de Arbitraj, ceea ce este cam acela\u0219i lucru, \u00een opinia lui, sistemul intern nepermi\u021b\u00e2ndu-i s\u0103 se apere.<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201eO precizare la premisa de la care a pornit \u00eentrebarea, nu pot nici s\u0103 scot cu m\u00e2na, tocmai pentru c\u0103 cei 11 membri din Comisia de Arbitraj nu au fost pu\u0219i de mine, au fost vota\u021bi in Congresul USR. Ace\u0219ti membri sunt profesioni\u0219ti \u00een drept pe care colegii i-au votat s\u0103 se ocupe de acest rol foarte important \u00een partidul nostru. Deci vreau s\u0103 resping foarte clar aceste acuza\u021bii c\u0103 eu folosesc Comisia de arbitraj cum am eu chef. Ipotetic ar fi un element foarte confortabil, dar \u00een realitate sunt oameni maturi, profesioni\u0219ti, repet avoca\u021bi, care \u00ee\u0219i iau deciziile pe argumente juridice \u0219i \u00een perfect\u0103 asumare a pozi\u021biilor pe care le iau. Mi-ar fi mult mai simplu dac\u0103 a\u0219 putea eu sa controlez, dar nu pot.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Sim\u021bi\u021bi c\u0103 \u00een momentul de fa\u021b\u0103 exista o tensiune \u00een USR \u00eentre la membrii semnatari ai scrisorii \u0219i conducerea USR?<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201eExist\u0103 aceast\u0103 perspectiv\u0103 care presupune c\u0103 actuala conducere majoritar\u0103, votat\u0103 \u0219i sus\u021binut\u0103 de organiza\u021bie, s\u0103 fie permanent atacat\u0103, ca form\u0103 de activism politic. Or \u0103sta e un lucru p\u0103gubos, deoarece eu cred c\u0103 USR Plus are un poten\u021bial prin oamenii pe care-i are, inclusiv Vlad Teohari, inclusiv colegii mei de la Bucure\u0219ti \u0219i din \u021bara, unii care poate nu sunt pe list\u0103 de\u0219i ar fi meritat s\u0103 fie. Este un poten\u021bial mult peste celelalte partide \u0219i vechea clas\u0103 politic\u0103. Ori logic\u0103 asta de atacare public\u0103 a&nbsp; organiza\u021biei este o naivitate venit\u0103 din zona asta ONG-ist\u0103 pe care sper c\u0103 putem s\u0103 o schimb\u0103m \u00een timp. Vom intra la guvernare, imagineaz\u0103-ti perspectiva \u00een care liderii USR PLUS trebuie s\u0103 se apere de atacurile colegilor.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-pullquote is-style-default\" style=\"border-color:#ff6900\"><blockquote class=\"has-text-color has-luminous-vivid-orange-color\"><p>\u201eSuntem un partid t\u00e2n\u0103r, unde membrii vin cu elan \u0219i entuziasm, dar este nevoie de o anumit\u0103 disciplin\u0103.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em>Unii critici de pe social media spun c\u0103 ar vota cu USR doar dac\u0103 actuala conducere va face un pas \u00eenapoi (fie el demisia sau cedarea puterii decizionale c\u0103tre alte corpuri interne). A\u021bi fi dispus sa face\u021bi acest pas \u00eenapoi pentru binele partidului?<\/em><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201eDac\u0103 ar \u00eensemna binele partidului, n-a\u0219 avea nicio problem\u0103, doar ca \u00een general asta e una din metodele clasice de r\u0103zboi, s\u0103 spui ca vrei nava, dar f\u0103r\u0103 c\u0103pitan. C\u00e2nd destabilizezi conducerea na\u021bional\u0103 a unei mi\u0219c\u0103ri ea se duce \u00een deriv\u0103. Dac\u0103 m\u00e2ine ar exista un lider USR PLUS care ar putea s\u0103 duc\u0103 partidul prin alegeri, sus\u021binut de \u00eentreaga organiza\u021bie, n-a\u0219 avea o problem\u0103. \u00cen realitate, suntem stabili, suntem o structur\u0103 care a trecut cu bine prin alegerile locale, chiar dac\u0103 \u0219tiam c\u0103 va fi dificil. Avem for\u021b\u0103 \u0219i credibilitate, iar aceste atacuri sunt menite s\u0103 ne destabilizeze.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00cen urma mediatiz\u0103rii conflictului intern din USR, Dan Barna a ales s\u0103 r\u0103spund\u0103 acuza\u021biilor pe care Vlad Teohari le-a adus \u00een sfera public\u0103, cu privire la invalidarea candidaturii lui la alegerile parlamentare. Buletin de Bucure\u0219ti a publicat anterior punctul de vedere al parlamentarului diaspora. 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