{"id":107175,"date":"2024-11-21T06:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-11-21T03:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/?p=107175"},"modified":"2024-11-22T10:22:44","modified_gmt":"2024-11-22T07:22:44","slug":"referendum-bucuresti-ce-cred-primarii-de-sector-despre-initiativa-lui-nicusor-dan-i","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/buletin.de\/bucuresti\/referendum-bucuresti-ce-cred-primarii-de-sector-despre-initiativa-lui-nicusor-dan-i\/","title":{"rendered":"Referendum Bucure\u015fti | Ce cred primarii de sector despre ini\u0163iativa lui Nicu\u015for Dan (I)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Referendumul bucure\u015ftenilor este ini\u0163iativa lui Nicu\u015for Dan prin care vrea s\u0103 \u00eencline balan\u0163a bugetelor c\u0103tre Prim\u0103ria General\u0103. Prim\u0103rie care are, printre altele, cheltuieli uria\u015fe cu subven\u0163ia pentru transport ori termoficare.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00cens\u0103, pe cel\u0103lalt taler al balan\u0163ei stau prim\u0103riile de sector, care s-ar putea s\u0103 se trezeasc\u0103 cu vistieria mai goal\u0103. Este bine, este r\u0103u? I-am \u00eentrebat chiar pe cei afecta\u0163i – managerii celor \u015fase sectoare, primarii abia (re)intra\u0163i \u00een p\u00e2ine. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Primul care a r\u0103spuns acestui demers a fost Ciprian Ciucu, primarul liberal al Sectorului 6.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ciucu: Nu e \u00een regul\u0103 ca bugetul s\u0103 fie rezultatul unui troc \u00eentre partidele politice<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Buletin de Bucure\u0219ti: Ce p\u0103rere ave\u0163i de ini\u0163iativa lui Nicu\u015for Dan de a organiza un astfel de referendum? Am observat un consens \u00een spa\u0163iul public, c\u0103 este un demers democratic \u015fi, incontestabil, este benefic, dac\u0103 vine vorba de voin\u0163a popular\u0103. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dar poate avea el \u015fi consecin\u0163e pozitive? M\u0103 g\u00e2ndesc aici la tot parcursul de la vot p\u00e2n\u0103 la a fi promulgate legi care s\u0103 bat\u0103 \u00een cuie ini\u0163iativele. Pe scurt, s\u0103 ne a\u015ftept\u0103m c\u0103 va fi, vorba aia, ca apa sfin\u0163it\u0103, nu face nici r\u0103u, nici bine?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ciprian Ciucu: <\/strong>Incontestabil, discu\u0163ia despre ra\u021bionalizarea Bucure\u0219tiului, despre cre\u0219terea coeren\u021bei administrative, este extrem de util\u0103. Referendumul este util. Mi se pare prost ales momentul, fiind alegeri preziden\u021biale \u0219i parlamentare.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

De aceea nu avem o dezbatere real\u0103, ci avem pozi\u021bion\u0103ri politice, lupte duse \u00een tran\u0219ee \u0219i multe discu\u021bii pe l\u00e2ng\u0103, care nu fac obiectul referendumului, cum ar fi desfiin\u021barea sectoarelor. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Aceast\u0103 idee nu face obiectul referendumului si nu este sus\u021binut\u0103 nici de c\u0103tre primarul general, pentru c\u0103 este o idee proast\u0103. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

De ce este o idee proast\u0103? Pentru c\u0103 peste tot \u00een lumea civilizat\u0103 ora\u015fele mari \u015fi complexe, a\u0219a cum este Bucure\u015ftiul, au dou\u0103 niveluri administrative. Ora\u0219ul este prea mare pentru a putea fi administrat eficient de c\u0103tre un singur nivel administrativ<\/strong><\/mark>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

CITE\u015eTE \u015eI:<\/strong> Referendum Bucure\u015fti | Este important\u0103 participarea bucure\u0219tenilor? Sociolog: \u201eO Prim\u0103rie General\u0103 puternic\u0103 este modelul predilect \u00een lume pentru ora\u0219ele mari\u201d<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Nu este obligatoriu ca un referendum local s\u0103 produc\u0103 schimb\u0103ri la nivelul unor legi na\u021bionale, care s\u0103 fie adoptate de c\u0103tre Parlament. Exist\u0103 \u0219i obiec\u021bii de constitu\u021bionalitate \u0219i m\u0103 a\u0219tept s\u0103 fie atacat de c\u0103tre diver\u0219i pe baza acestor obiec\u021bii. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pentru ca referendumul s\u0103 se transforme \u00een lege, primarul general va avea nevoie de sprijin parlamentar. Nu \u0219tim cum pot s\u0103 arate viitoarele prevederi legale, cel pu\u0163in una dintre \u00eentreb\u0103ri, cea referitoare la buget, nefiind, \u00een aceast\u0103 form\u0103, dup\u0103 p\u0103rerea mea, nici oportun\u0103, nici clar\u0103. Necesit\u0103 analize, dezbateri \u0219i clarific\u0103ri ulterioare.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Referendumul, dac\u0103 va trece, \u00eei va da primarului general un cal de b\u0103taie, o unealt\u0103 politic\u0103 pe care s\u0103 o foloseasc\u0103 \u00een urm\u0103torul ciclu electoral. Dar \u015fi mie, pentru c\u0103 m\u0103 voi bate pentru respectarea voin\u021bei bucure\u0219tenilor!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

De aici, s\u0103 ne imagin\u0103m c\u0103 suntem \u00een scenariul \u00een care chiar produce efecte legislative. Cum v-ar afecta pe dumneavoastr\u0103 un shift al bugetelor – mai mul\u0163i bani la Capital\u0103, mai pu\u0163ini la sectoare.<\/strong> Dac\u0103 vorbim de o balan\u0163\u0103 \u00eentre PMB \u015fi sectoare, considera\u0163i c\u0103 e doar o modalitate de a u\u015fura via\u0163a unuia \u015fi a \u00eengreuna via\u0163a altora? Rezolv\u0103m probleme pe de-o parte \u015fi le facem nerezolvabile pe altele, din cauza lipsei banilor?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eu sunt de acord c\u0103 este nevoie de mai mult\u0103 coeren\u021b\u0103 administrativ\u0103. Este nevoie s\u0103 departaj\u0103m clar competen\u021bele legale (responsabilit\u0103\u021bile) pe care le are PMB de cele ale sectoarelor. \u0218i da, sunt de acord, ca dup\u0103 ce facem acest lucru banii s\u0103 urmeze responsabilit\u0103\u021bile at\u00e2t \u00een ceea ce prive\u015fte:
(1) Administrarea serviciilor mari (transport, ap\u0103-canal, termoficare, managementul de\u0219eurilor, sistemul \u015fcolar, parcurile etc),
(2) C\u00e2t \u0219i \u00een ceea ce prive\u015fte investi\u021biile necesare oper\u0103rii \u00een condi\u021bii optime ale acestor servicii publice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Cu ce l-ar ajuta pe primarul general actual aceast\u0103 nou\u0103 \u00eemp\u0103r\u0163ire a banilor, at\u00e2ta vreme c\u00e2t Consiliul General al Municipiului Bucure\u0219ti ar urma s\u0103 \u00eempart\u0103 bugetele, iar CGMB este eminamente politic, \u00een vreme ce Nicu\u015for Dan e independent? Oare nu va exista tenta\u0163ia consilierilor s\u0103 direc\u0163ioneze banii c\u0103tre primarii de sector care le sunt colegi de partid?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Din p\u0103cate, \u00eentrebarea referitoare la bani pus\u0103 \u00een cadrul referendumului mi se pare prost aleas\u0103. Suntem \u00eentreba\u0163i dac\u0103 suntem de acord ca, de la un moment dat, banii s\u0103 nu mai fie atribui\u0163i \u00eentre PMB \u0219i sectoare \u00een baza unei formule predictibile, ci \u00een baza unei negocieri politice \u00een cadrul Consiliului General. Iar aici intervin dou\u0103 probleme:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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  1. Consilierii generali se \u00eentrunesc sporadic, c\u00e2\u0219tig\u0103 echivalentul a 250 de euro pe lun\u0103 si nu au timp fizic s\u0103 analizeze \u0219i s\u0103 \u00een\u021beleag\u0103 complexitatea \u0219i dimensiunea proiectelor de investi\u021bii \u0219i necesarul financiar pentru a opera diferitele servicii ale PMB \u0219i ale 6 prim\u0103rii de sectoare;<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  2. Nu este deloc \u00een regul\u0103 ca bugetul Bucure\u015ftiului s\u0103 fie rezultatul unui troc \u00eentre partidele politice<\/mark>.<\/strong> Pe scurt, acest referendum pune c\u0103ru\u021ba \u00eenaintea boilor: \u00eenainte delimit\u0103m responsabilit\u0103\u021bile (cine se ocup\u0103 de ce anume), vedem c\u00e2t ne cost\u0103 operarea serviciilor \u015fi necesarul de investi\u021bii, apoi, ra\u021bional, discut\u0103m despre bani \u0219i aloc\u0103m bani. Dar, cu toate acestea, poate fi un bun imbold pentru noi to\u021bi s\u0103 discut\u0103m \u0219i s\u0103 ne apuc\u0103m de reforma administrativ\u0103 a Bucure\u0219tiului!<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n
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    1. <\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n

      Cred c\u0103 referendumul, indiferent de rezultat, trebuie s\u0103 stea la baza unei dezbateri serioase \u0219i s\u0103 ne apuc\u0103m \u00eempreun\u0103 de reforma Bucure\u0219tiului.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      CITE\u015eTE \u015eI:<\/strong> Vrei s\u0103 mergi la vot? Asigur\u0103-te c\u0103 ai act de identitate valabil<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Personal, cred c\u0103 serviciul de urbanism al PMB va sucomba!<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

      Considera\u0163i c\u0103 poate PMB s\u0103 fac\u0103 fa\u0163\u0103 la emiterea tuturor autoriza\u0163iilor necesare? Au fost destule exemple c\u00e2nd institu\u0163ia s-a \u00eempotmolit \u00een emiterea unor avize, autoriza\u0163ii \u00een timp util.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Ciprian Ciucu: <\/strong>Da, sunt de acord ca autoriza\u021biile de construire s\u0103 fie preluate de c\u0103tre PMB. Dar sunt nevoit s\u0103 pun c\u00e2teva lucruri \u00een discu\u021bie: Nu cred c\u0103 PMB are efectiv capacitatea administrativ\u0103 s\u0103 le gestioneze. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

      \u00cen ultimii ani, \u015fi toate cifrele o demonstreaz\u0103 clar, avem \u00eent\u00e2rzieri fabuloase la nivelul serviciului de urbanism al PMB. De aceea, vin cu urm\u0103toarea propunere: s\u0103 le ia pe toate, dar s\u0103 le l\u0103s\u0103m pe cele publice la nivelul prim\u0103riilor de sector, pentru c\u0103 altfel NU vor mai exista investi\u021bii publice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      PS6 are cel pu\u0163in 6 proiecte blocate sau \u00eent\u00e2rziate la PMB \u0219i am pierdut finan\u021b\u0103ri importate. Da, s\u0103 le ia doar pe cele private, dar s\u0103 le l\u0103s\u0103m la sectoare pe cele publice<\/mark>.<\/strong> Nu am v\u0103zut la nivelul PMB vreo cre\u015ftere a capacit\u0103\u021bii administrative la nivelul serviciului de urbanism. Personal, cred c\u0103 va sucomba.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Considera\u0163i un demers real sau, dimpotriv\u0103, unul politicianist, \u00eentrebarea nr. 3, cu privire la droguri? Poate fi aceast\u0103 problem\u0103 rezolvat\u0103 la nivel local sau e nevoie de legisla\u0163ie na\u0163ional\u0103, institu\u0163ii na\u0163ionale implicate \u015fi, eventual, poate chiar CSAT<\/a>, dat\u0103 fiind amploarea fenomenului?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Pentru a evita o confruntare cu dl. primar general (care ar fi mobilizat lumea \u00eempotriva PSD, ca \u015fi \u00een alte d\u0103\u0163i), PSD avea nevoie de un motiv pentru care s\u0103 voteze \u00een CGMB pentru organizarea referendumului. Da, aceast\u0103 \u00eentrebare nu va produce niciun fel de efecte. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Dar va da foarte bine din punct de vedere politic atunci c\u00e2nd va fi singura care va trece sau c\u00e2nd va avea un num\u0103r mai mare de voturi dec\u00e2t celelalte \u00eentreb\u0103ri.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      M\u00e2ine, vom publica interviul cu primarul Sectorului 2, social-democratul Rare\u015f Hopinc\u0103, pe tema referendumului privind reorganizarea Bucure\u0219tiului.<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

      CITE\u015eTE \u015eI:<\/strong> Referendum Bucure\u015fti | Bani \u00een plus pentru personalul din sec\u0163iile de votare, din bugetul local<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

      Referendumul bucure\u015ftenilor este ini\u0163iativa lui Nicu\u015for Dan prin care vrea s\u0103 \u00eencline balan\u0163a bugetelor c\u0103tre Prim\u0103ria General\u0103. Prim\u0103rie care are, printre altele, cheltuieli uria\u015fe cu subven\u0163ia pentru transport ori termoficare. \u00cens\u0103, pe cel\u0103lalt taler al balan\u0163ei stau prim\u0103riile de sector, care s-ar putea s\u0103 se trezeasc\u0103 cu vistieria mai goal\u0103. Este bine, este r\u0103u? 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